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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jul 13, 2021 5:39:05 GMT
I agree, we do. One sided platforms where everyone has to think the same way, and say the same things are boring. Even FB groups tend to be super moderated with posts disappearing all the time. I enjoy hearing differences of opinion, learning about other people's experiences that are different from mine, etc.
I'm not a good arguer, but I enjoy reading debates between skilled debaters. When two people spend twenty pages arguing the same point back and forth - I think that's fun! Pointless, certainly, but still entertaining.
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Post by tweek on Jul 13, 2021 11:58:22 GMT
I must admit there comes a point when I give up arguing, especially in this business where Amazon's bots have infiltrated almost every forum. It's shocking the social media tactics they use to sow misinformation. You run across them on Twitter all the time as well. This forum is small enough to be traveling under the radar.
Amazon's business model is to dominate the market either through sheer size or demanding exclusivity, then forcing their suppliers to use the internal PPC ads to be visible and therefore sell. It's very cynical, and they actively attacks competitors simply to drive them out of business and force more suppliers onto their site. Vicious game and woe betide anyone who won't play their way.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Aug 30, 2021 19:20:35 GMT
Okay, this made me agree that Kboards is definitely dying. Not that I didn't agree before, but this is really sad. Yesterday, someone started a thread about the two authors who are suing audible and it has one comment. In the good old days this type of thread would have hundreds of pages + all the pages which would have been pruned. That is just really sad.
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Post by writeway on Aug 31, 2021 19:09:51 GMT
Okay, this made me agree that Kboards is definitely dying. Not that I didn't agree before, but this is really sad. Yesterday, someone started a thread about the two authors who are suing audible and it has one comment. In the good old days this type of thread would have hundreds of pages + all the pages which would have been pruned. That is just really sad. I knew it was bad when Hugh posted that thread and only 3 people commented!!! But, yep. Definitely Kboards is dead. I remember threads on there used to have 10+pages before I'd pop on to lurk that day. Then you'd leave for an hour or so and go back and there were several more pages. The threads used to be so active you couldn't hardly keep up. Sad what it's become and it's mainly because of the people running it. Or I don't know if I can say they are running anything. VyderScope seems to have gone ghost. LOL! |
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 8, 2021 4:13:17 GMT
I don't think Vydorscope has ever been involved that much. I remember the thread right after the purchase, when their employee called posters trolls for being unhappy about the sale.
But I can't remember any interaction beyond that. They're just own Kboards for the ad money. They don't need to moderate it for that.
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Post by writeway on Sept 8, 2021 7:41:43 GMT
I don't think Vydorscope has ever been involved that much. I remember the thread right after the purchase, when their employee called posters trolls for being unhappy about the sale. But I can't remember any interaction beyond that. They're just own Kboards for the ad money. They don't need to moderate it for that. Seriously though, how much money can they be making from that site after 90% of the people have left?  I can't imagine them even making $100 a month from that place now. |
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 9, 2021 20:54:21 GMT
Who knows on the money front. If the upkeep becomes costlier than the revenue they will shut it down. It's only a matter of time, really.
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Post by writeway on Oct 23, 2021 5:48:57 GMT
Wow, Paranormal Kitty told Becca where to go and how to get there on a thread called "So People Can Post Demeaning and Sexist Stuff About Women But..." Seems like in an earlier thread PK confronted someone about being sexist and misogynistic and Becca deleted the post I guess. Well, seeing how that didn't fly with PK, she posted about it, and let's just say she made it quite clear she's not a fan of Becca or the past mods. www.kboards.com/threads/so-people-can-post-sexist-and-demeaning-to-women-content-but.335192/Of course, the thread is now locked but... wow. I'm surprised Becca didn't ban PK. Not that PK did anything wrong. She has some valid points but I've seen the mods kick folks off for less than this. |
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Oct 24, 2021 2:54:10 GMT
Wow! I'd read the first part of that thread, but I hadn't seen Becca's response and everything that came after. I'm proud of Becca for not pruning or editing any of Paranormal Kitty's posts in that thread. And way to go PK on speaking your mind and not holding back!
I get the feeling that all of the mods because they were older were all of a more conservative bent, which is why it's important for them to make sure the place is friendly for their friends.
I do agree with PK that her post in the vendor thread shouldn't have been deleted though. Being friendly to both sides means being fair to both sides, as well. Deleting all criticism because it isn't phrased as nicely and inoffensively as Becca would like isn't being fair.
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Post by writeway on Oct 26, 2021 0:58:39 GMT
Wow! I'd read the first part of that thread, but I hadn't seen Becca's response and everything that came after. I'm proud of Becca for not pruning or editing any of Paranormal Kitty's posts in that thread. And way to go PK on speaking your mind and not holding back! I get the feeling that all of the mods because they were older were all of a more conservative bent, which is why it's important for them to make sure the place is friendly for their friends. I do agree with PK that her post in the vendor thread shouldn't have been deleted though. Being friendly to both sides means being fair to both sides, as well. Deleting all criticism because it isn't phrased as nicely and inoffensively as Becca would like isn't being fair. I agree, and I am also surprised Becca didn't prune PK. Kboards has always had an issue with being fair. They allow some people to get away with certain posts but when others call them out on it, it's a problem. And I agree about the mods being an older crowd or at least conservative. Like PK, I've seen blatant racism over the years posted there and Becca and the others did jack about it and it was almost as if they agreed with it. It wasn't until members blasted such posts that the mods did anything about it. I am glad we live in a time when folks call this mess out and let others know, you might can say your crap, but you won't say it in peace. |
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Post by writeway on Nov 1, 2021 1:45:30 GMT
After Paranormal Kitty and others AGAIN mentioned the inconsistent way Becca's been handling her mod duties over there, she replied by telling people they can PM their concerns but "publish pushback isn't allowed." Really?  That sounds to me similar to opposition to protest. Why can't members publicly express their displeasure with something as long as they are doing so respectfully? I don't like that at all when someone says people can't criticize publicly. If Becca feels she is doing such a great job, why would she be afraid of members mentioning their opinions where others can read it? She's fine with members criticizing each other and even harassing each other but if you have a problem with the modding going on, you gotta stay silent unless you PM them? Why? So they can give you an attitude and be nasty or block you? Unbelievable. |
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 3, 2021 0:32:14 GMT
I don't think I've been back to Kboards since my last post in this thread. In my opinion, if a poster has a complaint about public actions a mod has taken then it's fully appropriate to talk about it publicly. Posters should be allowed to disagree with moderator decisions, and mods should be willing to discuss it out in the open.
If a poster has a problem with something a mod did privately, then yeah, issues maybe should be discussed privately. Unless abuse or manipulation is going on, and then it should be made public again.
But of course with Kboards, I don't know what the backside with the vydorscope owners is like. Maybe the new rules actually come from them because they think too much negativity will scare off advertisers and vendors paying to sell their services. If that's the case then Becca doesn't have any choice, but to follow her overlord's wishes.
I have no idea if this is the case, since there have always been moderation issues with kboards. And it could very well be that Becca's gone mad with cattle-prod power. *shrugs* I don't think that site will ever get better.
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Post by tweek on Nov 3, 2021 18:11:11 GMT
I doubt VS pay any attention to KB, this is just Becca power tripping and refusing to let anyone take her to task, or hold her accountable for anything. It's why she became a mod.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 6, 2021 19:00:06 GMT
I doubt VS pay any attention to KB, this is just Becca power tripping and refusing to let anyone take her to task, or hold her accountable for anything. It's why she became a mod.  |
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Post by tweek on Nov 6, 2021 21:36:30 GMT
It's full on yellow bellied cowardice. She's hiding behind a non existent moderation rule rather than explain and justify her decisions on the forum. And even though she won't explain her decisions publicly (& it's not her forum, she just an unpaid mod on a nobody forum), people are still drawing conclusions about her personally. Nobody likes someone who publicly judges others while refusing to be publicly judged themselves, which is what she's doing.
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Post by writeway on Jan 1, 2022 9:07:04 GMT
They banned Paranormal Kitty! I saw her post on Tim's board that she was banned. They did it because she dared to call the mods out on how two-faced they are. They seem to have no issues with anyone being racist or homophobic but when folks call out the bigotry, Becca and the "crew" want to label other people's posts as political. I remember that thread PK had and she wasn't out of line. The only thing she dared to do was stand up for herself. It's sickening that this is what KBoards has become, a place where you can't even voice your opinion. I still believe it will be offline for good soon. I see the writing on the wall. And Vyderscope can't be making much money off ads with that dead sight.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jan 1, 2022 17:18:18 GMT
Woah! I wonder if the board is becoming radicalized. It's crazy to ban the few people who are still loyal after you've sold your souls to Vydorscope. Something isn't political just because it disagrees with you. Also politics is life. You shouldn't be afraid of it.
I haven't visited kboards in a long time. I haven't visited any forums for a while. I discovered the wheel of time and fell in love with Moiraine, so I've been busy obsessing over on twitter and tumblr.
I can't say I'd be sad if kboards did finally finish dying all the way.
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Post by writeway on Jan 1, 2022 20:01:21 GMT
Woah! I wonder if the board is becoming radicalized. It's crazy to ban the few people who are still loyal after you've sold your souls to Vydorscope. Something isn't political just because it disagrees with you. Also politics is life. You shouldn't be afraid of it. I haven't visited kboards in a long time. I haven't visited any forums for a while. I discovered the wheel of time and fell in love with Moiraine, so I've been busy obsessing over on twitter and tumblr. I can't say I'd be sad if kboards did finally finish dying all the way. This is all because of Becca, not VS. She's always done this stuff but because the board is so small now she's gotten worse. But she always used to use retaliation in my opinion and often banned folks who she felt disrespected her or embarrassed her on the board. It's not a coincidence that some members who publicly spoke out about the modding back in the day always seemed to be banned or labeled a troublemaker. I've seen her do this a lot but as I said, it wasn't as obvious when there were tons of people there. Now, it's just her plus most of the members are gone so it's like she's embolden. She's been getting worse since Harvey left. Harvey was a kind person and he had the final say over everything at Kboards. I'm guessing that Harvey stepped in between the mods and members on the regular to keep the mods from banning certain people. But yeah, this is all on Becca. She seems to act like being a mod gives her power and now because the board has gotten so insignificant it's like she doesn't care who she offends or what she does. I don't know why she is still there unless she is getting paid. She has to be getting paid now because I can't see why she's still there when she seems to act like she doesn't wanna be there. I doubt VS even knows what the hell is even going on with the board. I doubt they ever check into that place and are just there for money. It's obvious they don't care about the place because if they did they wouldn't let it die this slow pathetic death. They've done nothing to try and salvage that place or to keep the members from leaving. |
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Post by tweek on Jan 1, 2022 20:31:19 GMT
Becca isn't paid. That isn't the VS model, nor do they need to pay anyone. There is always some petty minded lonely person with grudges and nothing better to do than mod one of their dying forums.
Kboards is finished. I gave up on Writers Sanctum. And I can't be bothered with the FB groups. They're too heavily diversified or over modded. I also don't think there's much to be learned through them anymore.
Indie self publishing has largely stabilised. Even the introduction of Vella failed to change anything. The self publishing model is set up. We know the tracks; subscriptions, wide, PPC ads, newsletters, mail lists, free vs paid, discounting, pre orders, genre variations, seasonal fluctuations by genre, et al. There are dedicated groups on FB by self publishing strategy; KU vs wide by genre.
Marketing strategies that rely on author pools need to be part of a larger group. Newbies trying to learn the basics can benefit from a group, assuming they get decent advice, but too often it's the blind leading the blind.
The day of generalist forums for indie publishing is probably over. Becca is flogging a dead forum. She'd do better to get a real life. And if she keeps banning people, then she should remember to turn off the lights when she's the last person left.
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Post by possiblyderanged on Mar 5, 2022 13:49:34 GMT
Been a while since I looked around here. Wow. Anyway, I agree that kboards is mostly dead, and getting worse. Since it was bought out, and the Great Migration, it's mostly newbs and people flogging their services. It was always a rule that members not talk about service providers without facts. So what PK said about that one thing about "women's improvement" was against the rules. I agreed with her, it was awful, but people do still want that stuff. I only pop in every so often, seldom post (though I'd still like to get to a round number of posts, it's the most I've ever had, anywhere ). Anyhoo, hey, peeps. lol |
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I can't imagine them even making $100 a month from that place now.
That sounds to me similar to opposition to protest. Why can't members publicly express their displeasure with something as long as they are doing so respectfully? I don't like that at all when someone says people can't criticize publicly. If Becca feels she is doing such a great job, why would she be afraid of members mentioning their opinions where others can read it? She's fine with members criticizing each other and even harassing each other but if you have a problem with the modding going on, you gotta stay silent unless you PM them? Why? So they can give you an attitude and be nasty or block you?
