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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Aug 25, 2020 19:47:05 GMT
I find adult men who fantasize about underage girls having sex to be creepy. Even if you're not fantasizing about you specifically fucking them, you still have to imagine a naked, teen girl in your head, and then you have to get in her head, and basically climb inside her body, and imagine all of the actions and sensations. And that just creeps me the fuck out.
Child porn is legal for some reason, as long as it isn't marketed as erotica. And there are lots of adult male authors doing it all the time. But that doesn't make it any less ewwwe, in my opinion. I really hope none of these authors have teen girls of their own.
Question to myself: Are adult women writing about teens having sex creepy?
Answer: No.
Question: What about adult women writing about teen boys having sex?
Answer: That's fine, too.
Question: What if the writer is gay?
Answer: Pretty sure it's only creepy for straight, white, hetero, cis men.
Question: Isn't that sexist and hypocritical?
Answer: I dunno. Probably.
As long as no one is actually having sex with underage kids, boys or girls, then it's prolly fine to write about it. It still feels creepy to me though. But that doesn't mean that any author is doing something wrong when they do it.
It may even be an irrational feeling.
It's still a really intimate moment though, and it feels intrusive. But I guess if you created the character, you can do anything you want to them. I push back against this mentality in a big way with TUOK though.
I guess part of it depends on whether the author is becoming the teen girl, or whether he's writing with one hand, masturbating with the other, in a more voyeuristic manner.
When you look at things really deeply, coming from a place of openness, acceptance, and love, we're all one person, and things like age and gender do not matter. So in that sense it isn't creepy it's just one person trying to understand a certain experience from another viewpoint. And isn't that what we all as writers are trying to do - understand one another?
So I guess it could be creepy, or it could not be creepy depending on the author and what their attitude, motivations are. And automatically assigning harmful motives based on assumed sex or gender could be a form of bigotry that I should work through and excise.
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Post by writeway on Sept 16, 2020 2:47:36 GMT
I think this is why so many men write romance and erotica under pen names. I imagine that many women are creeped out about men writing certain things. On the flip side, I've seen female romance readers go crazy with male romance authors to the point of obsession. They actually fall in love with them! Chance Carter used to take some of his readers out on dates. CREEEEEPY! He's not the only male author who used his books to romance women in real life. I doubt female authors do this stuff.
As for how you feel, I give male authors the benefit of the doubt due to being artists. I don't want to judge them by their sex but I definitely agree some things are creepy coming from a man and any grown man who fantasizes about young girls is a pervert. Some might use "fantasy" as an excuse to say it's not real, but if any grown-up is having these thoughts about children, something is really off with them.
Adults, male or female fantasizing about children isn't only creepy, it's pedophilic!
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 16, 2020 3:16:55 GMT
Chance was actually dating his readers? I had not heard that one. I know a lot of actors will do stuff like that. I didn't know writers did that stuff, too.
I watched a biography about the dude who wrote Alice in Wonderland, and he used to paint young girls nude. I believe he painted the real life Alice, and he spent a lot of time alone with her and her sisters.
Edgar Alan Poe was 29 when he fell in love with his 12-year-old cousin, the real Annabel Lee.
I would be absolutely shocked if it doesn't come out one day that GRRM hasn't molested someone. He is way too fascinated with young tween girls. There's including that old creepy men raped children in the middle ages, and there is lovingly writing down every detail of their encounters. But it would definitely be best if I'm wrong, and he's not a creeper.
There was also a very popular children's book writer in the early 1900s who molested hundreds of young boys. I believe everyone knew, just like everyone knew about Walter Bradley, even watched him diddle a 3-year-old in a room full of adults and no one did anything.
Artists and celebrities have always gotten a way with a lot. But of course, not every artist/author is a creep.
I don't have a problem with men writing adult romance, or erotica. There's a shit ton of money in it, and if they want money it's where they go. It's really just when they're writing YA, or epic fantasy with lots of young female characters that it feels wrong.
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Post by Jeff Tanyard on Sept 16, 2020 8:50:57 GMT
Edgar Alan Poe was 29 when he fell in love with his 12-year-old cousin, the real Annabel Lee.
It wasn't that uncommon back in the day. My own great-grandfather was 28 when he married his 14-year-old bride, my great-grandmother. That was in the early twentieth century, so it hasn't really been that long ago.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 16, 2020 14:54:42 GMT
And today in the middle east they're still marrying off their six-year-olds. It's not really something you can stop, I guess, since it's been going on since forever. Loretta Lynn was 14 when she got married, too. I just wish we could get some consistency. Either sex with anyone under 18 is always okay, or it's not. I know that's not going to happen, and obviously we can't change the past, or control other countries. But I still don't like the inconsistency. Loretta Lynn doesn't seem like the event traumatized her. She was at least willing and not sold off, so I guess that makes a difference. But if it's possible for young teens to consent then why isn't is always okay for young teens to consent? It's maddening that a 14 year old can get married, but a 16 year old can get a record as a sex offender for sending a naked pic to her 17 year old boyfriend. The law makes no sense. Life makes no sense. *rants and rumbles unintelligibly*
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 16, 2020 15:40:12 GMT
I found an interesting article that talks about helping men update their sexual desires away from teen girls. www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2012-04-can-a-man-change-his-sexual-attraction-to-teens/ So I guess it is normal for men to think young girls are hot. I do not understand this, but I'm not a guy. And I guess this is why so many guys like writing YA. If there's no sex in the books, then no, the author isn't being pervy. Although I suppose there could still be pervy thoughts, but I'm sure it's possible for a guy to be around kids or write about kids and not have sexual thoughts about them. Kids need adults in their lives, so I hope this is true. It kind of sucks for teens though, when so many of the adults in their lives just want to jump their bones. And if a woman is into young boys, then it is the same thing as men with girls. And I know that some women are into teen boys. I still don't feel the squick though of women with teen boys, which is definitely a double standard. So most likely if I was a dude, I wouldn't get squicked at the idea of an author getting his rocks off writing sex scenes with his teen girl protagonists. But really there shouldn't be anything going on between anyone under 18 and those over 18. No matter the genders. Just to be fair. Because if it's wrong for one side then it's wrong for all sides. And maybe it's not wrong at all. I don't know. I find sex gross for everyone, anyway. But most people love it can't get enough of it. I want to live in a world where sex doesn't exist and storks deliver babies. *ha* But we don't live in that world. I should move to Whoville. |
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 16, 2020 16:11:12 GMT
I suppose another angle to look at this topic from is your child readers. It's probably nice for them to read about their favorite characters having sex before their own first time. Teen TV shows are all about first time experiences and important topics that teens experience. When I was a teen, most of the books I read didn't have sex in them. The only one I can remember was a Christian book about a teen girl who got pregnant, and the sex scene wasn't really described in to much detail. It was retold after the fact, more of an explanation of what had happened. The girl in the story was 15, but it was a female writer. At least the pen was female. I think that sort of thing is fine, cos I doubt anyone was masturbating while writing it. The book was more about helping teens who either find themselves in that situation, or to hopefully prevent it from happening in the first place.
The only modern YA I have read as an adult was the Hunger Games Trilogy. So I don't know how much things have changed with indies entering the field. Indies don't have to follow publishing house guidelines and so are free to go as far as their imagination takes them. But I really don't know how graphic it gets. I sort of feel like all books for minors should go through publishing houses because I feel kids would be safer that way. I think it would be good for there to be some sort of gatekeeper for kids and YA books.
I have to say teen TV shows sometimes feel wrong, too. But no one else thinks they're wrong. I watched "Faking It" a while ago. It was kind of a fun show, but it was full of teens having sex with older adults. And none of this was ever questioned. It was treated as perfectly normal. I used to watch Degrassi, back in the day. That show felt more like it was created with kids in mind, and that kids were the actual demographic, and not horny adults.
So maybe there should be two genres - Ya for kids, and YA for horny adults.
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