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Post by dormouse on May 25, 2019 20:59:01 GMT
yays for liking or almost liking Myrtle Clover! I do like. And later ones may be better still. I believe that one of the biggest problems with editing (and experience quite often) is that the good and individual is homogenised rather than improved, and it feels as if that's what has happened. The warm, comfortable, friendly soul has been retained (which is very good), but there's less of the quirky over-the-top description. And the issues I saw in the first in the series have largely been dealt with. The baby hasn't been lost with the bath water, but the lusty cry has been muffled. I think that for me to think a book is good, there needs to be more in it. I don't mind what the more is. Some of the hyper style from Book 1 might have done it. I think it better than most of the books I read in the genre and that it is written to be what it is; I appreciate that 'more' would probably make it worse for most regular readers.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on May 26, 2019 3:16:35 GMT
My brain is mush so I don't have anything interesting to say. Everyone is different and the best thing about being a writer is getting to do things your way and making the perfect book for you! I know I don't always agree with other writers choices. But when I find something I dislike I ask myself what would make it better and then it gets added to my list of things to write. I get some of my best inspiration that way.
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Post by kateelizabeth on May 26, 2019 20:39:14 GMT
I finished A Hundred Summers by Beatriz Williams a few days ago. I really enjoyed it. It switches back and forth between 1931 and 1938, and half of it takes place at the ocean. Makes me long to go.
Right now, I'm working my way through several Harlequins, some decent, some meh. I have several more of them to enjoy, a couple of cozies, and a historical romance in my loan queue. My Kindle is stuffed full of non-library books, too.
Oh, and a great non-fiction book for anyone who publishes wide is Killing it on Kobo, by Mark Lefebvre. He started and ran the self-publishing arm for Kobo for several years. Very informative.
I'm about to read another non-fiction book, Writing with Chronic Illness by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. She posted the first 3 chapters on her website and they were incredibly helpful.
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Post by robertlcollins on May 27, 2019 13:50:57 GMT
kateelizabeth I follow KKR's blog. I read her posts on writing with illness. I hope you find the rest of her book helpful, too.
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Post by dormouse on Jun 6, 2019 13:25:48 GMT
I have just finished The Forgotten Legion by Ben Kane, the first book in a trilogy.
The underlying premise is the speculation by Homer Dubs (Professor of Chinese History at Oxford University) that caucasion DNA found at Liqian came from a ‘lost’ legion of the Roman army defeated by the Parthians at Carrhae. So far so good (although more recent DNA tests are said to have disproved the hypothesis). He ties it into a plot that anyone with a little knowledge of Roman history can predict through to the end of the trilogy; I think it sould be more hidden and subtle than that.
There are aspects of the book I like, and others I dislike. There are many gory and graphic descriptions and the frequent description of characters’ feelings and reactions still left me unaffected and distanced. There are descriptions of slavery and the Empire’s addiction to foreign conquest and exploitation, but I don’t think it gets under the skin of the experience, although it tries. The military side of the plot is driven entirely by one character’s apparently total ability to predict the future.
There’s a very detailed description of the first sexual experience of a thirteen year old girl who had been sold to a brothel; it’s told from her point of view and I’m not sure it would count as erotic, but I can’t feel comfortable with a graphic description of what we would view as the rape of a child in a book that is fundamentally a historical political/military adventure. Her sexual prowess is a major driver of the plot, so I understand why he felt the need to do it, but I still don’t like it.
On the other hand, the pace builds slowly and then speeds up to the battle scenes. I suppose they are vivid and detailed, and pull you along with them. Quite detailed description of the tortures. I think those are valid because of its prevalence at the time; but, at the same time, I don’t think he gets under the skin of the experience.
So, for people who don’t mind its failings, it is probably a good read. People who do should avoid it completely.
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Post by proofreadexcelsior on Jun 11, 2019 14:37:55 GMT
I'm currently in my latest push to finish Stephen King's It. I just passed page 830. Good God, no detail was spared in that book.
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Post by robertlcollins on Jun 12, 2019 12:34:31 GMT
Yesterday I finished Embers of War by Gareth Powell. Good science fiction novel about atonement. Had a few interesting characters, including a sentient starship.
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Post by dormouse on Jun 13, 2019 0:39:25 GMT
I have just read The Anglo Zulu War - Isandlwana: The Revelation of a Disaster by Ron Lock. Although I didn't realise it when I chose the book, the essence was the same as The Lost Legion (see earlier post). In both cases an Empire invaded an apparently weaker neighbour driven by personal greed and was defeated (minor defeat for British, catastrophic defeat for Romans). In both cases, the invaders were outwitted and lured into danger before the attacks were launched.
Overall it is a good, interesting and well researched book (he lived for many years in kwaZulu-Natal and was a long-term respected guide to the battlefields of the region), but not in the same class as Cornwell's book on Waterloo or Allen's account of the Great Siege of Malta. Despite some familiarity with the culture and situation (I've previously read biographies of Shaka, Dingane and Mthwakazi) , it was very hard to keep track of what was happening when and who the vast array of characters were.
I like reading books about other times and other cultures, but I also think it helps ground writing fiction. The implausible occurs often in real life, including: And, on the day of the battles of Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift, orders had to be carried from one to the other before the attacks commenced:
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Post by robertlcollins on Jun 17, 2019 13:35:55 GMT
Over the past few days I re-read Expecting Someone Taller and Who's Afraid of Beowulf, both by Tom Holt. I read them when they first came out. I decided to re-read them to get into a good frame of mind for a project I've started. Both are light fantasy with classic myths meeting the modern world. The first is about the Ring Cycle, while the other is about Viking Sagas. They both have sudden endings, though I still feel that the one in the first novel just feels better. They're both fun reads, though not as funny as I remembered. I'm going to pause reading for a bit and do some watching to keep me in the right frame of mind...
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jun 18, 2019 3:10:17 GMT
robertlcollins, the ring saga? Like Lord of the Rings or like the horror movie saga? I have a pair of magic rings in TMOK. Magic rings are awesome! No comments on the books since I haven't read them, but hurraays for watching and being in the right frame of mind. Staying in the right mental frame is one of my greatest challenges.
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Post by Jeff Tanyard on Jun 18, 2019 7:53:10 GMT
robertlcollins , the ring saga? Like Lord of the Rings or like the horror movie saga? I have a pair of magic rings in TMOK. Magic rings are awesome! No comments on the books since I haven't read them, but hurraays for watching and being in the right frame of mind. Staying in the right mental frame is one of my greatest challenges.
Pretty sure Robert's talking about Wagner's operas.
You can find performances of the Ring Cycle on YouTube. Here are some samples:
Or, if you're not in the mood for roughly sixteen hours of musical tragedy, then you can always just watch the Looney Tunes version:
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Post by robertlcollins on Jun 18, 2019 13:24:13 GMT
robertlcollins , the ring saga? Like Lord of the Rings or like the horror movie saga? I have a pair of magic rings in TMOK. Magic rings are awesome! No comments on the books since I haven't read them, but hurraays for watching and being in the right frame of mind. Staying in the right mental frame is one of my greatest challenges. Yes, Wagner's Ring Cycle. Specifically that, since Holt uses the Germanic names for the gods and characters. That is somewhat amusing in the next book, because for the Vikings he uses the Viking names. So, Wotan is in the first book, but the Vikings mention Odin in the second.
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Post by dormouse on Jun 18, 2019 20:29:23 GMT
I've recently finished reading Daniel Mendelsohn's 'An Odyssey: A Father, A Son, and an Epic'.
A memoir, interleaved and mirroring a classicist criticism. It's lauded and genuinely very good: simultaneously revealing and not revealing, and educational. And emotionally moving - in a not very American, stiff but not British, maybe Ivy League way. In a very literary package.
It is one of the most crafted books I have read in a very long time, maybe ever. Full of observable technique. It describes, and illustrates, ring composition (chiastic structure) and it was interesting seeing how it can be used to control momentum. - but requires meticulous planning, interweaving, and attention to detail.
Which left me very surprised to find a significant error in academic deduction. He is proud of having been trained in the school of thought developed by Friedrich August Wolf who believed that these texts should be analysed 'scientifically'; one part of this hypothesises Homeric epics as having been developed over many generations of oral bards and only written many years later. This accounts for inconsistencies in the text relating to time periods and even the same character dying twice. It is also known that other versions of the epics existed in the middle ages. His students came up with an interesting idea about the Calypso/Circe characters - the one described by the narrator and the other by Odysseus - which said that Circe was a deliberate distortion of his experiences with Calypso. This made sense psychologically and in the story. He ended by rejecting the idea because there was one line in the text where the narrator refers to Circe. Given the known inconsistencies, a simple mention in the text should not be sufficient to reject an otherwise compelling idea. Sorry for the nerdish interlude. I just get immensely irritated by logic holes, especially when promulgated by someone who is supposed to be expert (I'm not - not a classicist & never had any interest in any form of traditional literary criticism).
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Post by dormouse on Jun 18, 2019 22:51:52 GMT
Yesterday I finished The Story Master (The Dragon Masters book 1)by Vincent Trigili. It's short, but not really a story. A prequel to a series. I'm not sure who it's aimed at. Most of the content would suit the young end of MG, but the vocabulary wouldn't. The good thing was learning that there was no point in starting the first long book in the series.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jun 19, 2019 15:12:18 GMT
Yes, plot holes are annoying, I agree. The only opera I know is the Phantom. We got a new kitten last week, so he's been keeping me busy. *tries to remember if I've read any books this week - memory matrix fails*
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Post by kateelizabeth on Jun 19, 2019 22:00:02 GMT
All I have done these past few days is start books on my Kindle, get irritated, and then return them to the library.
I'm about to start The Stone Circle by Elly Griffiths. I read and enjoyed one of her previous ones, so I have high hopes.
I also have from the physical library: Sally Hepworth's The Family Next Door, Megan Abbott's Give Me Your Hand, and Deborah Harkness's A Discovery of Witches (thankfully, I'm so behind getting this book that the trilogy is done). The holds list online was going to take several more weeks/months on these, so I went old school.
K'Sennia, kittens are so much fun. My grown-up cat, Evie, likes to pretend to be kittenish, but then she claws and bites my leg.
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Post by dormouse on Jun 20, 2019 21:21:52 GMT
I read about half of Jack Treby's The Scandal at Bletchley (Hilary Manningham-Butler Book 1), A who-dun-it set in 1929. The premise is interesting enough. Sir Hilary Manningham-Butler, the protagonist, is a woman who has lived all her/his life as a man; the truth being known only to his valet. Despite that, there was no core to the character - or anything else of interest - and I found her/him a rather irritating narrator. It was all affectation. The only character that felt at all real or interesting was a stereotypical East End Eliza Doolittle (there's a reason the stereotype has endured so well). I then read the end and skimmed a few more pages, then stopped. I won't be reading any other books in the series.
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Post by dormouse on Jun 25, 2019 21:02:22 GMT
Yesterday I finished A Man of Some Repute by Elizabeth Edmondson (aka Elizabeth Aston & Elizabeth Pewsey). A quintessential cosy cozy. The characters are standard mix of stereotypes, but she's succeeded in breathing them into life. Remarkable period accuracy for something written less than a decade ago. Very impressed.
A possible fault is that plot movement relies on a small herd of dei - but that hardly matters here.
It's the first in a three book series: she wrote the first two and her son (also a writer) wrote the third from her notes after she died. It will be very interesting to see how the third compares; tbh I'd be surprised if the second equals the first anyway.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jun 25, 2019 22:52:14 GMT
Awe, that's really sweet that her son is completing her work. That is a mother who raised her child right!
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Post by dormouse on Jun 30, 2019 20:48:24 GMT
I have now finished A Question of Inheritance (A Very English Mystery Book 2) by Elizabeth Edmondson and A Matter of Loyalty (A Very English Mystery Book 3) by Anselm Audley and Elizabeth Edmondson.
Both OK++ although not as good as the first in the series. The style of the third, written by her son, is very similar to the first two but tighter and more in the suspense & action direction - less cozy. He was the editor for the first two which goes some way to explain the similarity.
I feel I ought to have more to say, but I don't.
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Post by dormouse on Jun 30, 2019 21:05:58 GMT
I have also read Sitting Murder: A Baffling Victorian Whodunit (A Lancashire Detective Mystery Book 3) by A.J. Wright.
A suspense style mystery set in Wigan in the late nineteenth century. For those who don't know Wigan, even in the irony of George Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier, it is one of a number of industrial towns in South Lancashire squished around and between Liverpool and Manchester. All cotton mills and coal mines. Accents are usually distinct, and were presumably even more so in the nineteenth century; I've no idea if the author has captured in accurately - seemed like a generic Lancashire accent to me - but he was brought up in Wigan, so maybe it is.
Does, I think, capture some of the feel of the time and place (I know the place, but obviously guessing about the time); not altogether convinced by the crime or the resolution.
Altogether, perfectly OK (which counts as a compliment in my book).
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Post by dormouse on Jul 3, 2019 12:40:45 GMT
Yesterday I finished Crooked House by Agatha Christie. A puzzle mystery. Not one of her best, imho, although the plot/puzzle is quite good, and the words lead you easily through the book. The major problem is that neither the narrator nor his fiancee have anything about them suggesting they are real people, or even real characters. A major hole in the middle of the book. Next is the level of unreality. We know we have to suspend disbelief, but there are limits. Someone being able to be semi-officially involved with the investigation because he was the son of the Assistant Chief Constable and his fiancee was one of the suspects??? And she dragged business and the stockmarket into the story. She clearly understood neither. Distinctly underwhelming.
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Post by dormouse on Jul 3, 2019 12:41:21 GMT
And today I finally finished The Unity Game by Leonora Meriel. I paused reading about halfway through. I think I needed more head space. I'd finished writing one segment,, and needed to fully imagine the next before being able to move on. The mysteries helped me move on; The Unity Game needed more thought and reflection. Ready for the writing now, so I was able to return. It's a good book. Not really science fiction. Metaphysical reflection, almost religious in content (but not). Well written - very well given the difficulty of some of the content; could be edited differently. It most reminded me of a time as a child when every night I would be thinking, dreaming and dwelling on infinity, galaxy upon galaxy, and then little me and how could I fit; nightmares really. Three main streams: Scottish lawyer, Canadian/New York banker and aliens - all done well. And gradually pulled together in a metaphysical layer of overlying reality. A musing on the nature of Good and Evil and the Answer to the Ultimate Question Of Life, the Universe, and Everything. I'm not in much sympathy with her answers, but it is a very good book. Although only for someone who might like that sort of thing. But there are so many positive reviews, that I must be wrong about that.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jul 6, 2019 1:08:08 GMT
When I need head space, which I do a lot, I watch videos. Reading is too hard on my brain. So for my last couple of breaks I watched every movie in the Conjuring Universe, and then did some world stuff, then for my next break I watched The Nightmare Gallery. It's an indie film starring Amber Benson (Tara from Buffy) and I really enjoyed it and it sparked my imagination and now I want to add some of it into TUOK. The underlying themes, anyway, not the actual story, although we'll see what slips in. I won't add any of it in intentionally, it will just pour out on its own when it's percolated enough. I could see blending the Nightmare Gallery with Babylon 5's Thirdspace, and you'd have a really exciting and deep, psychological horror/dark fantasy story on your hands. I don't really enjoy horror for horror's sake. I only watch the movies because some of the themes they come up with can be bloody intriguing. It annoys me that horror stories never make sense. Like with the movies in the Conjuring Universe, they're all stories of a demon desperately trying to steal a soul. Okay, I can get behind the idea of beings out there who collect souls. Souls are valuable and powerful for magic purposes. That's fine and a cool idea. Tons of potential there. That theme is almost Supernatural's entire premise. But writers always lose me at "demon" and "evil just because." I sort of have demons in TUOK, one of my characters was trapped in hell for two-thousand years, so she creates a race of people to serve and worship her while she's stuck there, most of them are evilish, but not all, and I want to go into exactly who these demons are, what their lives are like, and individualize some, so that they have their own understandable goals. I liked how in Supernatural they were humans who had been in hell for too long, but they didn't go far enough with that. I was disappointed with how they handled Ruby, but that show does not handle female characters well anyway. But yeah, I've been turning to rather dark places lately. But it's for research, so it's all good.
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Post by dormouse on Jul 7, 2019 23:29:22 GMT
I'm not a great video watcher. Or TV. I have to be in just the right mood. And usually I get bored, so I always have a book with me so I can read when the video is too slow. I watch far more when I'm working very long days or when I'm ill. Actually not sure about ill: it's nice to have something to distract me but not a lot goes in.
One of the things I like about reading, is that I can go at my own pace, rather than the one fixed by the director. And I'm freer to imagine. And it can facilitate my own words. But, again, I have to be in the right mood; if I'm niggled or scratchy with myself, I can't usually focus enough to read - video works better then. If I can find one able to grab my attention.
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Post by dormouse on Jul 8, 2019 20:52:03 GMT
Recently finished 'What's Tha Up To?: Memories of a Yorkshire Bobby' by Martyn Johnson. Interesting memoir detailing a number of fairly random memories from his working life. He started working as a policeman in Sheffield in 1962; I know Sheffield to some extent, but it's quite an eye-opener seeing how things have changed since then. Lot of the events could easily be used in a novel, and the description of the time and place would be helpful to anyone writing about that setting. That's not me. I enjoyed it, and might read some of his other, presumably similar, books.
One thing I noticed particularly were his references to dialect. I know accents used to be very thick and very local. He give a few examples of dialogue:
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Post by dormouse on Jul 9, 2019 21:37:41 GMT
Over the last day or so, I've had three DNFs, all fantasy.
The first was the start of the Sword of Light trilogy by Aaron Hodges. I gave up after a couple of pages because it was so poorly written. I notice the reviews aren't awful and the author gets good reviews for his more recent books - I checked the Look Inside on one and that seemed poor to me, so what do I know?
The next was Mordecai by Michael G Manning; Riven Gates 1 - but part of a long existing series (none of which I'd read). I reached 15% on this one. An affected style. Not badly written; competent enough all round. Too many references to earlier events which simply bled momentum. But the world building was good. Familiar fantasy tropes aplenty. I didn't stop because it was bad but because continuing seemed pointless. It felt as if it would just use up my life. Rating of 4.56 on Goodreads (792 ratings), emphasising again how little I know. Must be a very good earner for the author.
The third was Time Trap - Book 1 of the Red Moon Trilogy by Micah Caida. I managed to reach 50% on this one. I eventually stopped because it felt again like familiar tropes being recycled without other compensation. It describes itself as Young Adult, so I understand the ages, the school and the interest in pairing. Not so sure about the emphasis on muscular male bodies - that felt more like preparing the audience for bad boy billionaire books in the future. Quite a lot of the world building was OK and some was good. I ended confused because some of the writing was talented, interesting and good but other parts were leaden, as was the plot.
I was interested enough to look up the author who self describes as "Micah Caida is the melding of two voices, two personalities and two minds - one NYT bestseller and one Award-winner". That makes sense. My money would be on the Award-winner being the talented one and the NYT bestseller producing the leaden prose and familiar tropes. Again 'her' books are very highly rated; I know nothing at all.
For what it's worth the kindle version seemed like a poorly formatted very indie book.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jul 12, 2019 21:18:46 GMT
I've been sick so haven't felt much like doing anything, but your British cop memoir sounds interesting. Never been to England, but my BFF lives in Cornwall, and I know a bloke from Shetland. So I have interests in the motherland. Back when I had the attention span to read I read a lot of British authors.
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Post by dormouse on Jul 13, 2019 19:13:16 GMT
Sorry to hear you've been sick. The memoir doesn't take much attention. Just a random collection of short events; mostly you don't need to have read the earlier ones to take in the later. I can imagine him telling the stories on his radio programme and a ghost writer recording them and sticking them together in a book (I've no idea if he actually had a ghost writer; I don't remember it saying). I really don't know whether they would work at all for readers who don't know the place or the people. Sheffield must almost be in the middle between Cornwall and the Shetlands. And dark, industrial and inland rather than pleasant, rural and coastal.
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Post by dormouse on Jul 13, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
Yesterday I finished Kurt Vonnegut's Mother Night. One of his relatively early novels (1961/2). A very good book. fully bearing comparison with Slaughterhouse Five, with stylistic similarities. Also about WW2; public and private personas; propaganda.
Quite a lot of references to writing and technique.
And particularly apposite to this day and age.
History frequently shows the pendulum swinging left and right in turn. It feels as if we are in an energising phase where the swings grow ever stronger.
In the US (as seen from afar), a swing right away from liberality fuelled by poverty, hopelessness and alienation; with a swing left building. All media on one side or the other.
Similar in the UK crystallised around Brexit. It's not traditional left and right. It's traditional working class + rural areas + smaller towns and cities versus metropolitan, London and university towns. The former accused of being old uneducated gammons. Again all media on one side or the other.
afaics, Vonnegut's hating without limit and contempt for the other point of view is coming in with the swing left.
I fear that with the following swing right a lot of the gains we think we have made (eg LGBT rights) will go into reverse.
And as Vonnegut wrote the media/propaganda is the fuel for the flames.
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