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Post by robertlcollins on Apr 1, 2019 13:38:56 GMT
Over the weekend I finished The Fated Sky, the follow-up to The Calculating Stars. I quite enjoyed it. I think I would like to read a bit more about the characters and the alternate world Mary Robinette Kowal created. I think the next books I'll read will be one of Gail Carriger's novellas and Theodora Goss' latest.
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Post by kateelizabeth on Apr 9, 2019 20:18:31 GMT
I've been sick off and on for the past couple of weeks, so I've been doing a lot of reading. I started and returned a bunch of library books, but I finished these in the past few days:
I read the last Charley Davidson mystery, Darynda Jones's Summoned to Thirteenth Grave. I'm glad that the series is over, frankly. I loved the first several books, but I got irritated with all of the woo woo stuff in the last several. I don't know if I'll read the eventual spinoff, but I will read more of Jones's other books. She's super talented.
California Girls by Susan Mallery was pretty good, but more women's fiction than her normal romances.
I just finished Louisa George's Something Borrowed, which makes me want to read the sister's book.
I've got a lot of Harlequins and thrillers in my TBR list and holds queue.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Apr 9, 2019 23:11:29 GMT
I've been sick off and on for the past couple of weeks, so I've been doing a lot of reading. I started and returned a bunch of library books, but I finished these in the past few days: I read the last Charley Davidson mystery, Darynda Jones's Summoned to Thirteenth Grave. I'm glad that the series is over, frankly. I loved the first several books, but I got irritated with all of the woo woo stuff in the last several. I don't know if I'll read the eventual spinoff, but I will read more of Jones's other books. She's super talented. California Girls by Susan Mallery was pretty good, but more women's fiction than her normal romances. I just finished Louisa George's Something Borrowed, which makes me want to read the sister's book. I've got a lot of Harlequins and thrillers in my TBR list and holds queue. *hugs from faraway* Sorry you've been sick, that's no fun. Yaays on extra reading time! It's got to be tricky with a long series to retain all of your readers from the first book to the last one. But it's still sad and disappointing as a reader when you loved the earlier books so much and then each one that comes next is worse and worser.
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Post by robertlcollins on Apr 11, 2019 13:22:52 GMT
Yesterday evening I finished How to Marry a Werewolf by Gail Carriger. It was a good little romance story with some interesting drama and quite a few of Gail's touches. I quite enjoyed it.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 11, 2019 18:11:10 GMT
Just finished The Travelling Cat Chronicles by Hiro Arikawa (trans Philip Gabriel). Very good book, very highly rated and deservedly a bestseller internationally. Superficially a weepie for cat lovers, it gently explores some deeper themes. It's well written, but it felt like a very different type of translation from the Japanese to those I'm accustomed to - I'm not sure how well it captures the 'Japaneseness' of the original and being unable to read Japanese I have no way of knowing whether that was a feature of the original or not.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 16, 2019 11:18:00 GMT
Have read The Mage Chronicles (The Gilded Empire Book 1) by R J Eliason. iirc it is supposed to be the first in a series, but was published five years ago with no follow on. It's OK but could have been a lot better. Fantasy world, with some roots in D&D although not the same. Unexplained magic system with a distinction between hard magic (rituals, artefacts etc) and soft magic (using power from self or environment). The world has a lot of potential.
Plot is serviceable. Some issues with grammar/typos (the principle/principal confusion particularly irritated me). Sudden increases in the protagonist's power (with no explanation or justification) were also irritating. Characters were generally one dimensional, in the manner of traditional science fiction where characters existed simply to carry the ideas. This wouldn't be a problem if it were purely an ideas/fantasy world book driven by action. But it isn't: there's a heavy dose of personal issues. Carrying this off requires strong engagement with the characters and there isn't. It's hard to write in a way that creates that engagement, but it has to be done if it's intrinsic to the book. There is also more than a hint of proselytising and it is very, very hard to do this successfully in a novel. Satire & humour work best (Gullivers Travels, Slaughterhouse 5) and it nearly always requires a light touch, so it is seen at an angle rather than head on.
The engagement also requires honesty with the reader. This book is written from Mary's POV, but a key factor, that would have been prominent in her mind at times and is alluded to in the script, is only revealed to the reader 70% of the way through.
Different editing would make it better, but I doubt that the fundamental problems can be solved by editing - I think they need the writer's skill or decisions about how to write it. Despite these criticisms, the book is OK - it's just that it could have been a lot better.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Apr 17, 2019 0:30:30 GMT
It's all about the editing! The same story can be told in so many different ways, but oftentimes the book is rushed and the better, alternate ways are left unexplored. Especially if the author is on a deadline.
I have read Gullivers Travels and seen the movie. I do not remember a message, but it's been a loooooong time since I've read that.
All of my reading is of Kboards and my novel. I read that a lot and often since I am sort of editing and drafting at the same time.
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Post by robertlcollins on Apr 19, 2019 17:51:24 GMT
Yesterday I finished Theodora Goss' collection Snow White Learns Witchcraft. It contains both poems and short stories. I really liked the short stories. There were interesting takes on fairy tales and folklore, and they featured interesting heroines. I'm not that much of a fan of poetry, but I did find some of the poems intriguing as well. Well worth picking up.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 20, 2019 20:25:13 GMT
I have read Gullivers Travels and seen the movie. I do not remember a message, but it's been a loooooong time since I've read that. There's two reasons for not seeing a message. One, it's mostly Bowdler's censored version that is seen now. Two, the targets of the satire were aspects of the culture of the time and hard to see unless you have studied it. It's all about the editing! The same story can be told in so many different ways, but oftentimes the book is rushed and the better, alternate ways are left unexplored. Especially if the author is on a deadline. Mostly. An editor may have pointed out the implications of the decision about action Vs issue, but I fear that indie editors would simply push the action approach, lacking experience (or expertise) of the other. And no editor could give the writer the skill to take the issue approach. Some writers can do it without apparent effort but most can't, and it takes study, graft and time for them to develop a capability.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 20, 2019 21:31:37 GMT
My most recent read is A Shilling for Candles by Josephine Tey. A whodunit written about 90 years ago.
It's well written, and better than OK, but nevertheless a little disappointing. The characters were well drawn but didn't really engage emotionally, which is admittedly almost standard in the genre. But the information enabling the murderer to commit the deed only came with the solution and the motive was pretty weak even then, so not a puzzle solving book either.
Still, it was interesting and readable. And unexpected use of words in places. I especially liked 'suburbanity'.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Apr 21, 2019 1:39:32 GMT
To be fair writing mysteries is hard! And trying to make it so that the reader doesn't guess the murderer while still telling them who did it is even harder. But I still prefer when authors play fair, anyway. The reader should be able to figure out everything on their own. Or at least most of it, on their own. That's part of the fun of reading it.
I read a Myrtle Clover book (I've read most of them) but in this one I found the murderer quite early cos I found the clue, and I felt so proud of myself. LOL
At some point I'll have to pick up some Josephine Tey because the excerpts you gave were really enjoyable.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 21, 2019 7:16:54 GMT
At some point I'll have to pick up some Josephine Tey because the excerpts you gave were really enjoyable. She's a very good writer, although very much of her era. She didn't write very many books, so I'm rationing myself. I'm a little conflicted on the puzzle aspect because even when the puzzle is well done, it's not enough for me to like a book, and what I like about a lot of detective books is the description, the observation, the sense of other place and time and the quality of the writing; the puzzle just provides momentum.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 21, 2019 9:54:07 GMT
To be fair writing mysteries is hard! And trying to make it so that the reader doesn't guess the murderer while still telling them who did it is even harder. For her mysteries, Georgette Heyer (usually?) subcontracted devising the puzzle/crime aspect to her husband. I read a Myrtle Clover book (I've read most of them) but in this one I found the murderer quite early cos I found the clue, and I felt so proud of myself. I've never read a Myrtle Clover, so got the first one to try sometime.
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Post by dormouse on Apr 23, 2019 15:45:13 GMT
I’ve just finished reading Once Upon A time In The East (US edition entitled Nine Continents: A Memoir In And Out Of China) by Xiaolu Guo. Can’t recommend it enough.
A memoir about her life up to the age of 40ish when her mother died. Simply written, which avoids over dramatising what is already very dramatic. Themes of misogyny & abuse, being female, resilience & survival, identity, family relationships, being a writer/artist, alienation. In the same league as Christy Brown’s My Left Foot and Catherine Cookson’s Before I Go (+ biographies) as accounts of becoming a successful writer despite extreme adversity and humble beginnings. I’ll probably have better thoughts about it when they’ve had time to settle a bit.
I haven’t read any of her other work, but will have to.
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Post by dormouse on May 8, 2019 18:10:12 GMT
Finished A Question of Upbringing (Book 1 in the Dance to the Music of Time cycle by Anthony Powell). A very very good book. (I removed the comma; I'm using 'very very' as a single word rather than a two word reinforcement: maybe I should remove the space too.)
Despite seemingly being mostly description, despite there being virtually no action, there is nevertheless a steady (though quite laid back) drive forward.
It covers approximately the last year at school and the first year at (or not at) university. Covers a small elite section of English society in the years after the First World War (1921-24 apparently). Obviously drawn from real life observation, it's a study of relationships and how they change with the passage of time. Elements of social comedy but more real world than PG Wodehouse and Mapp and Lucia and stylistically denser than Diary of a Nobody (which I'd recommend). But they are all very English. [There's one event that would have been plausible in his experience of being that age, but would have been unlikely in the year chosen; very few readers would spot it and I doubt anyone would care.]
There were two points that struck me as a writer. One, his use of language and words was frequently better than mine. There are writers (and I know some) who have a degree of facility with language that I don't possess - and will never acquire however hard I try. But Powell is in my class, so I'd be hopeful that I can learn something there. Two, his ability to achieve a sense of movement and direction from description of people and circumstances rather than events was very noticeable. I'd like to learn that trick.
Of course, his is a literary novel. I don't write literary novels and have never had aspirations in that direction; I wouldn't mind having literary readers - but they'd have to come to me because I don't want to go to them. And he wrote it 70 years ago. So I'd have to be careful in what I picked up; but still it's nice to have something to work on.
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Post by robertlcollins on May 10, 2019 12:23:07 GMT
Yesterday I finished The Bayern Agenda by Dan Moren. It's a space opera spy thriller that takes place in the same universe as his first book, The Caledonian Gambit. The new novel has a strong and twisty plot. I enjoyed the two viewpoint characters and the others they met along the way. I liked that the universe is much more filled out in this novel than in the first. I know about both these books because Moren is on The Incomparable podcast quite a lot.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on May 14, 2019 7:19:05 GMT
I am reading "Pretty is as Pretty dies," by Elizabeth Spann-Craig. It's the first book in her Myrtle Clover series. I thought that rereading some of my favorite cozies would be a good idea whilst I am stalled. One thing I don't remember from previous readings is all the head hopping. It's not interfering with my enjoyment of the story at all, which I suppose is why I didn't notice before.
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Post by dormouse on May 14, 2019 11:18:18 GMT
I think head hopping is OK, it's just a technique. Like 1st and 3rd person, present and past, one POV or many. If you didn't notice and were able to follow the thread, it worked. And if it gave you a warm feeling, as it seems, then it overcame one of the potential weaknesses.
That's the Myrtle Clover book I got, so it's what I'll read next. See what I make of it. A cozy would suit me fine right now.
I've not so far been successful in finding a good book in the Humble Bundle - though others may appreciate them more. And I don't think I'm the target audience. Not sure any of us are in the target audience. Maybe the screenwriting books will offer me more, though I can't see me doing a screenplay in the foreseeable future.
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Post by robertlcollins on May 14, 2019 13:46:20 GMT
I'm just about finished reading a novel. I'll post about it when I'm done, but that might not be till tomorrow, as I have things to get to today. But reading these last two comments brought up some advice that happened to come up in a Twitch stream I was watching last night. The advice was along the lines of consuming or experiencing stories can be helpful in telling stories. The creativity you see can spark your own creativity.
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Post by robertlcollins on May 15, 2019 13:38:19 GMT
Yesterday I finished reading Sorcery & Cecilia by Patricia Wrede & Caroline Stevermer. It was a delightful fantasy novel, told entirely in letters between two cousins. Quite a fun read. I was amazed to learn that the authors chose which cousin to write and that the book started out as a letter game between them.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on May 16, 2019 0:46:12 GMT
Books written in different formats can be fun. A long time ago I read a book about the first kid juror, and the entire book was her diary sharing her experience of being on the jury. I believe there was some sort of mystery involved, as well, which the kid solved. It was a really fun book anyway.
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Post by robertlcollins on May 20, 2019 13:43:38 GMT
Yesterday I finished Sister Light, Sister Dark by Jane Yolen. I knew it was the first book in a trilogy, but I thought it might be a stand-alone that became a trilogy. It's not a stand-alone, but it is a good book and I plan to get to the other books sooner rather than later.
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Post by dormouse on May 21, 2019 15:10:19 GMT
Just finished "Pretty is as Pretty dies," by Elizabeth Spann-Craig. In the main, it was a quietly enjoyable cozy. Lively, spiky text, warm locality (I assume its accurately described, but I don't know it so can't comment) with distinct characterisation. The overall feel was of the first series of a TV show which goes on to become a great once all the rough edges have rubbed off.
Downsides were the prologue (more of that elsewhere), jarring continuity at times, some typos and a poor conclusion (probably OK if written twenty years ago). Some of the head hopping stuck out; I'm happy with headhopping as part of a style but it should facilitate not hinder the flow of the story. The continuity jumps meant that I put it down quite often, taking it up again later. I think it would have been better with a tough editor.
It read as if it were speed-written with little revision but with a very warm and predictable feel and characters who bounced off each other; probably a continuing cast. I assume it has a lot of fans who read every one. Ideally done for the cozy genre.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on May 21, 2019 20:24:05 GMT
I believe her publisher dumped her after around four books so she started self-publishing them after that. She writes several cozy series at once, so yes, they are all most likely rush-written, and are never given quite as much time with the editor as they should, but they're light and fun and you feel good when you're done. So they do the job.
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Post by dormouse on May 21, 2019 21:48:57 GMT
I believe her publisher dumped her after around four books so she started self-publishing them after that. That's interesting. Given the typos in the first, and the 'wrongness' of its prologue, I'm not sure that the publisher brought much to the party anyway. they're light and fun and you feel good when you're done. So they do the job. You are quite right; they are. I'm perfectionist, so I like things to be as good as they can be. But I also doubt that improving the quality (typos/continuity) would improve the experience of her readers or gain new ones and I'm sure her current approach maximises her output. So that's perfectly fine. I noticed the detailed reference to Dickens in the book. Seems to me that she's taken some style tips from him in that her characters are exaggerated and larger than life, the language is hyper-vivid and over the top and it doesn't matter if the plot creaks.
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Post by dormouse on May 23, 2019 8:28:32 GMT
Started No. 4. Less spiky, a little less individual; more "professional". Flow much smoother. Same overall feel. Only 18% and haven't met a new character yet, so no idea whether they will be as exaggerated as the first (I did think that this was one of the good points of the first book).
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Post by dormouse on May 25, 2019 19:20:32 GMT
I have now finished A Body In The Backyard by Elizabeth Spann Craig (No 4 in the Myrtle Clover series). The problems seen in No 1 were largely absent (with one exception). Continuity was good, and there was often momentum. The downside was that some of the individualistic ups had been smoothed too. Editing was evident. As K'Sennia said they are light and fun; and warm and cosy. They are evolving. The people are clearly drawn and nice, popping in to visit them would be like visiting old friends. I can understand fans rereading when new ones aren't available, which is a recommendation in itself even if it earns the author nothing. Better than OK, but I can't quite bring myself to say Good.
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Post by dormouse on May 25, 2019 19:28:12 GMT
I wonder if this thread is heading to the Alien Studies Board We could move it if you wanted it to move. That board isn't indexed like this one. I assume that this board can't be seen by guests either. I wonder if this thread should be moved to the General Discussions board where it would be indexed and (if my assumption is correct) seen by more visitors? There's nothing objectionable or private in it that I can see.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on May 25, 2019 20:08:18 GMT
Sure, I can do that. And yays for liking or almost liking Myrtle Clover!
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on May 25, 2019 20:13:20 GMT
Hopefully robertlcollins doesn't mind the forum switch. Dormouse thought it would be good for it to be seen by guests. And I don't disagree.
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