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Post by dormouse on Nov 7, 2019 22:10:40 GMT
They most likely paid for the high Alli ranking. For $199 you get placed in their directory. Ah, yes. All the excellent ratings seem to go to partners. Who pay ALLi for Partner membership. That's not how I'd expect an independent authors group to work. I've not looked all through, but I didn't see a partner without an excellent rating or a non-partner with one.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 7, 2019 22:54:10 GMT
All they basically are is a company that hires your editor, cover artist, and formatter for you, and then they upload the book, and chase reviews, and collect your royalties, plus all the money you paid upfront. Having a company do this for you could be helpful, if they actually know what they're doing and aren't just scamming you. The biggest issue is the ridiculous prices, plus the way they take advantage of newbies by claiming to be experts. When the truth is the people working at/for these companies are typically mediocre at best. Scammy thieves at worst. All these companies want is to make money off of desperate newbie authors with big, unrealistic dreams who have no way to gauge whether they're being scammed or not. This is why I call them predatory.
Don't place the fate of your publishing career in the hands of a bunch of slick marketers, getting rich off of your failure or very modest success.
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Post by dormouse on Nov 8, 2019 14:21:47 GMT
This is why I call them predatory. I think predatory is exactly the right word. And it can be applied to a lot of other vendors selling stuff to writers.
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Post by dormouse on Nov 8, 2019 15:47:08 GMT
I think it is potentially a perfectly respectable business niche. Lots of writers don't want, or may not have the time, to take on the publishing side effectively, but they can afford to have someone else do it. They may not have the time to chase agents and publishing deals either. I would clarify though: - that I don't personally know of any such business that offers good value and appropriate advice;
- furthermore, despite my best efforts, I've never been able to work out a financially viable business plan to offer such services in a definitely non-exploitative way even as an adjunct to a successful business (where only the extra costs would need to be covered), let alone as a standalone business.
The traditional publishing contract uses profits from the successful books to cover losses from the unsuccessful, and all other costs. Typically there are far fewer winners than losers. Even then, it is difficult to cover the cost of reading unsolicited submissions even when they can be quickly discounted and put aside. That's why publishers prefer receiving MSS from agents or only open submissions in very limited windows of opportunity. The majority of MSS aren't publishable without an uneconomic amount of work to bring them to the level required. And the majority of MSS that are publishable are a poor fit for the particular skills of that publishing house. That's why they try to be very clear about what sorts of books they publish and suggest that writers get to know their list before submitting. Which means that any non-exploitative company selling publishing bundle should say what types of books they have expertise in publishing (it can't be everything) and needs to be very up from with submitting writers that sales, if any, are likely to be few and that they should regard any money spent as gone. They should also be honest about the perceived quality of the MSS and the cost of making it truly acceptable. OK to publish without amendment if the writer chooses, but they should be made aware of the reality.Of course, they are unlikely to be able to do that because they wouldn't be able to afford the cost of reading and commenting on an MSS where they deter the customer, any more than a traditional publisher can. There should also be a clear understanding that some costs are one off and fixed, but others (eg marketing, advertising) will vary - and the level should be linked to likely sales benefit. At least in this instance, the writer seems to have achieved a number of sales and a Bookbub. I decided to buy the book in the end (didn't want to support the publisher - but they probably already have their money - but sympathised with the author, and found the concept intriguing). I do feel sorry for writers who don't have the skills to be publishers themselves and can't find a publisher to take them on. But that's the situation. At least they should be capable of getting their book on the market themselves with ebooks, even if the chances of it finding readers is small. In a slightly related way, I find forum advice to newbies - buy a cover, get an editor, and a proofreader, advertise! etc, irritating when they haven't read the manuscript and often have no knowledge of that type of work. But then, everyone should know to be careful of advice on any forum.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 9, 2019 0:02:02 GMT
The best business plan would be one where you teach newbies how to self-publish. Teach them exactly how to do market research the correct way. Teach them how to recognize when a cover works and when it doesn't. Offer a class on tropes so they can learn what's been done to death and what is actually new and breathtaking. Give a list of books they have to read in their genres. Teach them how to go about vetting companies and contractors. How to tell when they're being scammed or not. Teach how to self-edit. Teach how to advertise, the free and paid ways.
And then open up an easy to navigate marketplace where those who sell author services can advertise. Make everyone take the class on how to choose vendors before they can hire anyone, and then let the chips fall where they may. Have a Q&A that authors have to answer after using a vendor, such as, was the vendor punctual? Did they fulfill all obligations? Did you earn back the money you spent? Are you satisfied, please explain why using at least twenty words.
You could also charge for a no-holds-barred assessment of how good a job an author has done, based on writing level, genre expectations, cover, and editing. Have a successful romance author assess romance books, a crime writer, crime books, etc. A literary author assessing literary fiction, etc.
Newbie authors needs information more than anything else. Information and encouragement.
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Post by Deanne on Nov 23, 2024 13:46:37 GMT
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