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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Jul 18, 2018 2:08:58 GMT
Everyone knows BookBub. The big kahuna, the promotion everyone wants, but few attain. Have you had a BookBub? Tell us about it. Share figures, share experiences, feelings, whatever you feel comfortable sharing. Would you recommend this service to your fellow indies? Why or why not? www.bookbub.com/partners
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sasoule
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Post by sasoule on Aug 5, 2018 2:16:09 GMT
I dream of one day joining the elite authors who get a Bookbub, the holy grail of book marketing... :-)
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Post by writeway on Aug 5, 2018 15:44:16 GMT
I'm wide and I've only been trying for Bookbubs since the end of last year. Out of five tries I've gotten four Bookbubs. I just landed another one for late August for a standalone. I ran the other three on book 1 of a series. The first was 99 cents for book 1 and then the other two were for permafrees. I have NO complaints. My last BB was over a month ago and the freebie is still in the Top 10 of it's category as well as the permafree before it. I since changed the 99 cent book 1 of my other series to a permafree.
The next promo will be my first standalone promo with BB. It will be 99 cents.
I find Bookbub is wonderful for getting attention on retailers outside Amazon, which is my main reason for going after Bookbub. I am more concerned about building sales more and more on the other retailers. Amazon is still my top selling store. Barnes and Noble was my second best store until the summer hit. I hope it's just a slump. Sales at Apple and Google Play have surpassed it for the last few months. I am shocked at how Google Play has been doing for me lately. The permafrees are really moving my series there.
I'd suggest if you can afford it to at least try for a Bookbub. Submit as much as possible and don't stop especially if you are wide.
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Post by writeway on Aug 5, 2018 15:51:52 GMT
I wish that it wasn't so difficult to get accepted though I admit I've had a pretty decent track record with being accepted. The reason I wish it wasn't so hard is because if I could I'd spend all my money on a BB for each book. ROFL! With BB, you don't need any other promotion. It is that good. I'd base my promo just on BB features if I had the power to. My advice to getting a Bookbub is first off, don't believe the review thing. That is a myth. Many of my books don't have tons of reviews. The first book that got accepted had 9 reviews and that was last year and even after a BB and now that it's permafree it still only has 9 reviews. Most of my books have good ratings and maybe that helps but the review thing is not true at all. I don't know where the rumor came from that you gotta have tons of reviews to get a BB, it's not true. Yes, it's best to be wide. You CAN get a BB in KU but they do prefer wide books and they tell you this flat out. Wide brings in more for them and they have tons of readers who buy on stores outside of Amazon. So if you are in KU and have a book coming out or a series, I'd definitely go wide and see if I could get a Bookbub because your chances of getting a BB soars when you are wide. I know several authors who couldn't get a BB to save their life when in KU and once they got out, they started getting them. Also, submit a permafree if you can because it can do wonders for a series. One more thing, don't let fear stop you. I did. I went forever for not trying for a Bookbub because I'd convinced myself there was no way I'd ever get one and I got one on my first try! So whatever happens, don't be afraid to submit. You never know what happens and if you get one, most likely you won't regret it.
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Post by writeway on Sept 27, 2018 16:20:57 GMT
They just raised their prices yet again. If they don't watch it they are going to price themselves out of being effective. I doubt authors will wanna skip paying their mortgages just to get a BB. They are good advertisers but not enough to go broke on.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Sept 27, 2018 16:42:51 GMT
Maybe they're hoping the higher prices will lessen their workload a bit, since fewer authors will submit. Or maybe they figure they can justify it since they're soooo popular, and are greedy. The thing with raisin prices is that even if you lose customers you can often still make more money, depending on how high you raise them. It sucks for us indies though that don't have that kind of coin. But maybe it will pave the way for a new kid on the block to come along and take their place!
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johnhartness
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Post by johnhartness on Oct 20, 2018 19:20:26 GMT
I’ve had three this year, with varying levels of success. The first one was in the Supernatural Suspense category, and the book advertised was wide at the time of the promo. It made back the cost of the ad In Amazon sales in the first three or four days, and made a profit of about 50% of the ad cost in other sites’sales over the next week. So I would qualify that one as a success. The next title...not so much. The book was in the YA category, and it is YA fantasy, which is lumped in with non-fantasy YA for their newsletter. That title was also wide, and with this ad I ran other promos before and after the BookBub to try and prop up the tail of the promotion. It didn’t work. Total spend on all sites was about $400. Total return for the promotion period on the two books in the series was about $200. Not everything’s going to work out brilliantly. The third promotion that was accepted was an international-only ad, which I was skeptical of, since the book is horror comedy, and my concern is that comedy doesn’t translate well across cultures. See: Jerry Lewis. But when all was said and done, the promo was far cheaper than any of the others, costing less than $100, and earning about $150 across all sites. The Amazon international sales were not particularly good, but the sales on other sites were about 2/3 of the total revenue. There’s my experience for 2018, I apply for 6-8 titles each month, at the the beginning of every month. So far, one of the books has been written by someone else and published by my publishing company, and two of them have been books that I wrote. All three books that have been accepted have been wide at the time of the promo.
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Post by beaker on Oct 20, 2018 20:36:15 GMT
I got yet another rejection from BookBub this morning. All my books are in KU, so my chances are probably low, but I keep trying. And for some reason, keep thinking that I have a chance. Maybe I'll try going wide some day. I noticed the new higher prices. It was kind of a relief to not get accepted this time since I'd have to come up with all that cash!
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Oct 20, 2018 20:47:55 GMT
Congrats on your first post johnhartness, thanks for sharing your BookBub experiences.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Oct 20, 2018 20:49:17 GMT
I got yet another rejection from BookBub this morning. All my books are in KU, so my chances are probably low, but I keep trying. And for some reason, keep thinking that I have a chance. Maybe I'll try going wide some day. I noticed the new higher prices. It was kind of a relief to not get accepted this time since I'd have to come up with all that cash! *hugs* and yaays for saving money. If you really want to spend money to promo your KU books, AMS ads are likely the better option.
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Post by Jeff Tanyard on Oct 20, 2018 21:26:36 GMT
I got yet another rejection from BookBub this morning. All my books are in KU, so my chances are probably low, but I keep trying. And for some reason, keep thinking that I have a chance. Maybe I'll try going wide some day. I noticed the new higher prices. It was kind of a relief to not get accepted this time since I'd have to come up with all that cash!
You're in good company. I was rejected today, too.
And I also noticed the higher prices. It sucks, but I ran some sample numbers, and it still would have been a great deal if I could have gotten it. *shrug*
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Post by writeway on Oct 21, 2018 16:51:20 GMT
Yeah, they've raised their prices again since about a month or so ago!
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Post by writeway on Oct 21, 2018 16:55:22 GMT
I got yet another rejection from BookBub this morning. All my books are in KU, so my chances are probably low, but I keep trying. And for some reason, keep thinking that I have a chance. Maybe I'll try going wide some day. I noticed the new higher prices. It was kind of a relief to not get accepted this time since I'd have to come up with all that cash! Even though some get deals while in KU it is not the norm. Bookbub definitely does prefer wide books and they are clear that books available everywhere perform the best. They have readers who buy from all retailers so they wanna offer books that will reach all the readers in a set category. For example if your book is in KU, the units you move for the feature deal will be WAY lower than a book wide because the wide book will have a much bigger audience and more ground to cover. Also, when a bulk of people can already get your book for free through KU then having a "free" sale or "99" sale might defeat the purpose in BB's eyes. It's all about money of course and what deals bring BB the most success. This is why so many authors leave KU just to see if they can get a BB. I'd agree with going wide simply because I think it's too risky to be in KU and have all your eggs in Amazon's basket. Unless you are one making the big bonuses.
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Post by beaker on Oct 22, 2018 1:54:36 GMT
More than half my royalties are from KU, plus it seems like a lot of work to go wide, but I might still try it. I'm not sure how effective BookBubs will be if the prices keep going up. I've noticed other newsletter prices going up too.
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Post by proofreadexcelsior on Jun 11, 2019 14:33:48 GMT
I tried BookBub once and was quickly rejected. I haven't tried again.
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Post by Jeff Tanyard on Jun 11, 2019 23:25:09 GMT
I tried BookBub once and was quickly rejected. I haven't tried again.
It took me thirteen submissions before one was accepted. And I've heard about other authors who have submitted dozens of times before getting that first acceptance.
Don't give up!
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Post by proofreadexcelsior on Jun 12, 2019 21:32:22 GMT
I got yet another rejection from BookBub this morning. All my books are in KU, so my chances are probably low, but I keep trying. And for some reason, keep thinking that I have a chance. Maybe I'll try going wide some day. I noticed the new higher prices. It was kind of a relief to not get accepted this time since I'd have to come up with all that cash! Even though some get deals while in KU it is not the norm. Bookbub definitely does prefer wide books and they are clear that books available everywhere perform the best. They have readers who buy from all retailers so they wanna offer books that will reach all the readers in a set category. For example if your book is in KU, the units you move for the feature deal will be WAY lower than a book wide because the wide book will have a much bigger audience and more ground to cover. Also, when a bulk of people can already get your book for free through KU then having a "free" sale or "99" sale might defeat the purpose in BB's eyes. It's all about money of course and what deals bring BB the most success. This is why so many authors leave KU just to see if they can get a BB. I'd agree with going wide simply because I think it's too risky to be in KU and have all your eggs in Amazon's basket. Unless you are one making the big bonuses. I recently moved most of my books to KU because an author friend reported good luck with that. I did take one book off KU to make it free so as to build up the series.
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Post by writeway on Jul 24, 2019 6:07:15 GMT
I just got my 7th Bookbub which will take place in a few days. This one is a 99 cent promo. I had one a few months ago for a permafree book. I'd promoted it through BB before last year. For my last 99 cent BB promo it did VERY well. I made the Barnes and Noble bestseller list and stayed there for a few months straight. I also just scored three promotions with Barnes and Noble. Two for permafree titles and another for the book I am doing the Bookbub 99 cent promo for. I never thought I'd be picked for a B&N promo let alone three at one time. Those B&N promos do great. The rankings on the two free books are as good as if I had a Bookbub for them.
All I have to say is keep trying and don't give up. BB is worth it and I find the results are even better in stores outside Amazon because the tail is much longer there.
Also, if you are wide don't sleep on the promos with those retailers. All offer in-house promotions and it's good to at least try for them. With Barnes and Noble and Kobo, you have to be accepted for the promotions and you have to be direct with them. For Apple, you have to be direct for their major promos but you can do promo codes if you aren't direct. You can get the codes from Draft 2 Digital. Google Play also have promotions that you can set yourself but again you have to be direct.
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Post by writeway on Jul 31, 2019 4:22:10 GMT
For those wondering if BB still works, it's working for me! My book ran Sunday and it's got a two digit ranking at Barnes and Noble as well as the bestseller tag! Again, they are featuring the book on B&N's 2.99 and under spotlight so that helps too but to have a TWO digit ranking is amazing. I am also running a Bookbub ad for the books. So far it's done the best at Barnes and Noble, Amazon and Apple. Kobo and Google Play's numbers are pitiful for Bookbub. They aren't usually spectacular even with a BB but they used to be better than this.
So in short, I'm very happy and Bookbub is worth every penny spent. I will keep using them as long as they keep accepting me!
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Aug 1, 2019 0:47:52 GMT
Thanks for the update, writeway! It's good to know it still works. And congrats on your promo doing so well!!!!
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Post by Jeff Tanyard on Aug 1, 2019 9:22:26 GMT
My book ran Sunday and it's got a two digit ranking at Barnes and Noble as well as the bestseller tag!
I've had two Bookbub Featured Deals so far, and not once during either promotion did it ever occur to me to check the book's rank at Barnes & Noble. Thanks for mentioning that. I'll try to remember it for the next time.
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Post by davidvandyke on Aug 15, 2019 19:06:47 GMT
I've gotten at least 20 promos. Always good. However, the last one wasn't as good as it used to be. The market is maturing, and is heavily saturated, so instead of stratospheric 10,000% ROIs, we'll be counting our ROIs in the tens or hundreds from now on--which is still pretty good and eminently desirable. I've seldom heard of anyone reporting not breaking even, except on the new paid New Release notices, which don't seem to be very effective at anything by 99c.
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Post by writeway on Nov 11, 2019 8:54:42 GMT
My 8th Bookbub is today! We'll see how it goes though I preferred it not be on a holiday but maybe that will make it even better.
I wish BB's ads were as effective. After two years of trying to make them work for full-priced books I've given up. I bought David Gaughran's book and his tips helped for a while but didn't last. I understand BB is mostly for deals but I have heard a few authors claim they got the ads to work with full-price but I couldn't. Just a few copies here and there. I wish they worked because it's a great way to get eyes on your books wide.
I'm so sick of having to run ads and things all the time so I am doubling down on building my mailing list. I want to get to a point where I can just shoot off an email and that be enough. LOL!
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 16, 2019 6:32:20 GMT
Much Luckage writeway in building your email list. How did your BookBub go? My plan is completely finish TCOK, publish, and then dedicate the rest of my life to promoting it. *titters* I'll start with social media, build my list, and try and make sure my books are listed everywhere they are allowed to be listed. I'll try buying ads later if I sell any copies. Is your avi an xmen character?
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Post by writeway on Nov 22, 2019 3:20:31 GMT
Much Luckage writeway in building your email list. How did your BookBub go? My plan is completely finish TCOK, publish, and then dedicate the rest of my life to promoting it. *titters* I'll start with social media, build my list, and try and make sure my books are listed everywhere they are allowed to be listed. I'll try buying ads later if I sell any copies. Is your avi an xmen character? Thanks concerning my list. I've gotten 200 new subscribers in the last week! My Bookbub sucked! The worst ever and I think it's because they gave me Veteran's Day. The one I had in August was amazing. As for my avi, yes it's Storm. But I don't even watch superhero movies anymore. I've never seen not one X-Men movie. I just like Storm because she's a black female superhero, which is so cool! My favorite superhero is Superman when Christopher Reeve played him. I was a kid in the 80's so I watched ALL of the Superman films religiously. had the biggest crush on Christoper Reeve. He was SOOOO handsome! LOL!
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 22, 2019 4:09:33 GMT
writeway, Sorry your bookbub tanked! If they were free it wouldn't matter so much. I wonder if they still do refunds if results are disappointing? They're prolly too big to do stuff like that now. Yaays for doing well back in August! I think Storm looks really cool! She's a terrific avatar! I've seen several of the xmen movies, but my mind wanders a lot because I have trouble following action scenes. But I still like watching as many of the superhero things as I can. Even if I don't remember a thing about them two hours later. *haha* I'll have to see if any of the xmen cartoons have that Storm in them, or if she's just a comics character. Superman has always been my least favorite superhero. But then I'm not into dudes so that doesn't help. I was a kid for most of the 80s, but I don't really remember any of it. My memories don't really kick in until the 90s when I turned 7. So I consider myself a 90s kid.
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Post by writeway on Nov 23, 2019 0:06:52 GMT
writeway , Sorry your bookbub tanked! If they were free it wouldn't matter so much. I wonder if they still do refunds if results are disappointing? They're prolly too big to do stuff like that now. Yaays for doing well back in August! I think Storm looks really cool! She's a terrific avatar! I've seen several of the xmen movies, but my mind wanders a lot because I have trouble following action scenes. But I still like watching as many of the superhero things as I can. Even if I don't remember a thing about them two hours later. *haha* I'll have to see if any of the xmen cartoons have that Storm in them, or if she's just a comics character. Superman has always been my least favorite superhero. But then I'm not into dudes so that doesn't help. I was a kid for most of the 80s, but I don't really remember any of it. My memories don't really kick in until the 90s when I turned 7. So I consider myself a 90s kid. LOL! Yeah, I feel you on superheroes. As for Bookbub, it did okay on Amazon (not as great as usual though) but sucked elsewhere. I was shocked since I did so well on B&N with my last one. I hate to admit it but I kind of see now what others are saying. Bookbub is losing its luster, which will suck for wide authors. I've now decided to release some books in KU next year. I used to be in it. I HATE the idea of KU but I will still be wide. I won't be all-in with KU but I want to see how KU does for me these days since it's been 2 years since I've been in it. I know nothing is perfect and that's what this business is all about, switching things up. You can't get comfortable. I am keeping my vow to never be exclusive to Amazon again though. I'll never be all-in with Amazon again. Most of my books are wide and will stay that way. I think that's less risky and plus I am still committed to wide. My plan is to release my new books in KU for 3 months and see how they do by the time the term is up. If they are going strong after the period I will keep them in if not, I'll take them out. Amazon is still my biggest marketplace anyway and I sell more there during my new release period so I figured it would be worth it to try. Honestly, wide has always been hard but it's extremely difficult now. It seems to be getting harder and harder and right now it's not beneficial for me to be all-wide so we'll see how KU does this time around. I feel more comfortable now because I will have my wide books to fall back on if Amazon acts crazy or they change KU yet again.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 26, 2019 3:12:02 GMT
I'm still all in with KU, and I don't regret it yet. I just really like watching the cents roll in, and hearing the kaching. I'm really unclear as to whether I am losing or making more than I did when wide. I think I'm about even, really. I may be missing out on a little that I would have gotten from D2D, but D2D has no kachings, so I don't care.
I recently had a hard drive crash and lost half of my publishing folder, including all of my records. So I'll have to go back and redo them all at some point. Fugglespreff. But my highest months when wide was $60, and this month I'm at $53.10, so that's pretty good. For me.
I know that being wide is the safest option. And being partly KU and partly wide is likely the smartest. But for now I'm still digging the daily Kachings.
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Post by kateelizabeth on Nov 26, 2019 16:45:24 GMT
writeway, I'm sorry about your Bookbub results. I've heard that they can be amazing, but I cringe at paying that much money, even if I got accepted.
K'Sennia, Storm was in the X-Men cartoons. I loved her.
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Post by K'Sennia Visitor on Nov 27, 2019 1:51:45 GMT
Thanks @kateelizabeth I'll have to check the cartoon out!
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